" reservation in ST category"

[satendrabhati]

This is a demand that i is being raised by many persons on different platforms. In my opinion the the situation is not going to improve by getting ST reservation rather they should work for the reforms in the education and the kind and quality of the education. As per my knowledge and information is considered we are not short of recources and facilities but we lack attitude and guides. mass population is poorly educated and those educated find it shameful except a handful to be called them as "Gujjars". because of the actions and the bad name earned by the persons of class. we are all familier by the attitudes of other persons towards us. and we dont want to elevate that by being called 'ST' also. Please work for the upliftment of the education level. and there is a nice proverb " Piyasa kuae kae pass jata hai kua nahin" so insted of achieving the things be taking odd support we should make ourselves capable of snathing the same.

bye take care
regards
satendra bhati

[Pankaj Kohli]

As Sandeep said, poorer section of Gujjars really deserves attention. Apart from other things they need brotherly support from prosperous gujjars. I have seen situation of gujjar labourers in Alwar district of Rajsthan. I don't know that was exception or truth.

[rahul khari]

well gujjars who are living in hilly areas,whether they are hindus or muslims,they really need reservations.the need of the hour is that the youth of gujjars should get collected and stand under a single roof and should take a unanimous decision to make a clear strategy to help the gujjar people who really are in need. i met the gujjars of haridwar and they really are facing the hard time of their life. they were forced to live a pastoral life due to the invasions of muslims in northern india,but government is again trying to make their life much hard again,that means they will never have a stability in life. we must say that the gujjars in these areas like foothills of shivalik range,that is uttranchal,haridwar,gujjars of kashmir,himachal pradesh,etc. they really need reservations as shedule tribe.and they first need is basic education and only educated youth can help them in maintaining a level in their education. also to get benefit from schedule tribe category reservations,the gujjars should be at the level of basic education,then they can really enjoy the real benefitrs of this reservation ,and if they are not educated,this reservation is not for any use.it will be all in vane.
best wishes from Rahul Khari.

[sunita]

Hi Everyone,

Well I can find many of you talking about changing the mindsets. May I ask how this can be made practical or it is just an impossible job? Once our community get reservations and people move out with their govt. transferrable jobs, then the mindsets will automatically change.

Also second issue I find is of backward tag which I believe even OBC tag is. My sir name being Bhati, many people call me bhatti, few bhatia.. who has got the time these days to get into caste's.. I believe I am known by my work, my attitute and last by my caste which is also important. Yes, it bit hurts me when I carify people that I am not bhatti or bhatia but bhati, because of OBC tag. But, I think if such a backward tag can improve many lives then its better to bear this. In coming generations... people will be least bothered about caste and an individual will be known by his work and personality.

Sunita

[sunilnagagar]

Hi Sunita ,
I am glad here to know that you are really looking towards a great problem now a days, but do you know these problems are owns creations. We feels that we are backward & we have to put this tag with us , but this is not true, we can remove that scarlet tag & can be known as a human being by own work and knowledge , we just have to prove our strength & soon we I'll get the destination , best of luck to you & keep working with your knowledge .

SUNIL NAGAR

[sunita]

Hi Sunil,
I believe you are mistaken. I haven't talked about any great problem. I have just shown concern towards the people who are in great need for reservations. We are fortunate to get the environment to grow. But there are many who need lot of help which reservations would do. Its better to think rationally than to have a big ego.
Well thanks for ur suggestions...

Sunita

[Vishal]

Hi
Not offending any one the one who are opposing should talk reality what ST means they don't know, secondly YaDAVS have got maximum benefit under OBC infact jats got OBC status in UP and in RAJ and trying to get in DElHI too.
Now regarding professionals job i will like Mr Pankaj to know that no body is provided reservation in private and most of the jobs related to professional job.
Do you know how many IAS we have just 2.
We are hard working its no doubt but lacks proper guidance.
This site can be very helpful to such of our brothers and sisters.

The main aim of reservation was to provide equality to those castes and communities who lack representation. But its fault of our politician that we still required reservation instead of restricting its impact they are spreading it. let me give you example of women reservation in parliament it does not mean they are back ward bcs of this we are providing them reservation but that are just 20 or 30 in number out of 545. hence to increase there number so that they can be part of decision making .Regarding HP providing reservation has not helped us this clearly shows that we need to be properly guided bcs we even don't know how to gain from reservation still in villages you can find people taking OBC certificates to get scholarship or other benefits except job this is my todays experience which i saw in collectorate.
I n last i will say that reservation will surely accelerate the growth and development of our community.

[raghuveerbainsla]

hi to all

it is very healthy topic for the debate. we know that the reservetation can chang the total focus.in Indian contitution, reservation section is a leagle right for the offering community
if our community being in reserved in SC/ST category many type of benifits reserve for the community.in Indian service selection commition gave the fix seat for the reserve qota
so it is more benificial for the community
reservation is a demand for today for our ccommunity.it can change the growth rate.it can share of every field for community

thanks

Raghuveer singh

[raghuveerbainsla]

hi to all

it is very healthy topic for the debate. we know that the reservetation can chang the total focus.in Indian contitution, reservation section is a leagle right for the offering community
if our community being in reserved in SC/ST category many type of benifits reserve for the community.in Indian service selection commition gave the fix seat for the reserve qota
so it is more benificial for the community
reservation is a demand for today for our ccommunity.it can change the growth rate.it can share of every field for community

thanks

Raghuveer singh

[Damodar Khatana]

Dear all,

there is no doubt that reservation is going to improve the current sitaution of us a bit atleast in initial 50 yrs from now.

the point is that most of our population resides in villages, where "hopelessness" is prevailing. and the counterparts there ( the other reserved people) with same caliber are getting some jobs (only because of reservation), so its bit frustating.

No doubt, the extreme successe can not be achieved by reservation. But for a ordinary person, reservation is good enough. we need a basic plateform to excel, so this generation must be able to secure the jobs.


This is other matter that the whole reservation policies are errorful in Indian constitution. But this world is relative now. if other people are getting it, we must get it too. I do not see whether we are anymore financilly good than those ST or SC people in villages. and if the same situation continues, then our condition is going to worsen there in villages.

No doubt, that we need to internally motivate the whole society for doing good, but u cannt expect every individual to be that much motivated n intellectually talented. and hence reservation is good enoguh if we can get that....

with love,

Damodar Khatana

[santerpal]

All caste / community reservation including of sc/st should be abolish. Reservation may be included based on Economic back ground only

santerpal gujar
Assistant Director, DOT

[ravindertanwar]

Ram Ram ji


I agree with Sandeep R KHADRI. And want to use some other words to resay the same thing.

People(Gurjars offcourse) who live near by Delhi like Noida, Gurgaon etc. Who have earned lot of money as they have sold land and earn money from rent etc. are the people talking against the reservation and they are the people who feel ashamed of getting the SC quota.

But what about the people who are still poor and they themselves think that gujjars are some nomadic tribes they live at places and in condition where they are ignorant not of only the world but also themselves. They dont even dont know their Golden Past. These people need reservation and other efforts too.

Today all the communities who are far ahead of us want the reservation because they are not fool(ignorant) like few of us (plz dont feel offended).
They know the value of reservation as today we are nowhere in competion infront of Biharies and other people who are ruling(at high Govt Jobs) our very land Delhi,Noida etc. (But I cant say about Haryana because jatts have grabed the opportunity and dont let Biharis get those).

You only know this when you want to get the best College or University, Or best company.

So open your eyes to the truth that we need reservation.
It will help us and our generation ahead.

[mohit]

hi, GUJJARS

we all r INDIANS first & gurjars second so we should think what is good for India

[Rajesh Jindher]

Dear All gurjars

I think if we take ST category benefits then the people who are poor and residing in rural areas they will be happy. But we are already in OBC category in most of the states and people of our community not feel proud to show their idendty because we are in OBC category means gurjar is backward community but now time is changing people of our community are showing their idendty, but if we are come in ST category than it would be sameful for us. We should work hard if any body will workhard and sucess is definite for him/her. So in my view we will dont have ST tag and not go lower then where we are. I may be wrong but I show my views.

regard

Rajesh Choudhary

[vishaltonger]

Hi

I definitely agree with rajesh that hard work has no substitute and also respect his views but you feel ashamed bcs you are born in some particular caste shows how ill informed we are about our great history. Education is necessary we know but opportunities our brothers and sisiters which they get are very less infact many of them studies at very late age, so govt is very particular about it it has given age relaxation for that.

About gurjars being ST we should accept the reality that we r still far behind infact most of the communities in fact in almost all the fields.

So St tag doesnot mean you are lower rugs but it means background is Forest your ancestors dwell on forest produce .

Just to clear Shri Rajesh Doubts.