Rajasthan Issue

[ksc]

I agree with ankur wholeheartedly !!!!!!!!!!!!!
and thanks ankur 4 putting it just straight forward.
ksc

[satbirsingh]

ANKUR U SEEM 2 B CHALLENGING THE WHOLE RESERVATION ISSUE.
BUT IN WHOSE HANDS IT IS TO CHAGE IT IN URS , MINE, OURS ?? NO BODY.
THEN WHAT S WRONG IN TAKING THE BENEFIT.
MORE IMPORTANT WHY NOT CARRY OUR THE SURVEY AND IF GURJARS MEET CRITERIA INCLUDE THEM IN ST LIST?

VASUNDHRA FLAGS UP THE ISSUE AND TALKS ABOUT IT FOR 3 YEARS BU DOES NOTHIN +VE OR -vE WHY?
WE NEVER ASSERTED OURSELVES, NO BODY THOUGHT WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO DEMAND OUR RIGHTFUL PALCE.

MORE THAN JOBS IT WILL HAVE LONG TERM EFFECT ON YOUNG GENERATION EDUCATION PARTICULARLY TECHNICALEDUCATION. THOSE WHO DO NOT FEEL LIKE AVAILING LET THEM NOT BUT THE REALLY POOR LIVING WITH MEENAS IN THEIR VILLAGES AND SAME CONDITIONS NEED IT.

AND WHO IS NOT LAZY EACH CAST HAS ITS OWN SHARE OF LAZINESS SO DOES THE GURJARS HAVE. YES IT WILL BE FAIR ON UR PART TO COME OUT WITH REASONS FOR THIS LAZINESS ( IF U MAINTAIN IT IS MORE THAN THAT IN ANY OTHER SOCIETY) AND HOW TO OVERCOMME IT.

[Ankur Bhati]

i cant tell u how to overcome the common gurjar laziness mr. satbir.......no one can....gurjars have to sit down and think from within....they just have to work hard quota or no quota.. there is never a substitute for hard work... and i will tell u what is wrong in taking the "BENEFIT"...it's not a benefit at all....had the gurjars been so smart they have enough benefit in the obc quota...people fight over taking their communities forward in a forward manner....whereas our peple are fighting to take us even lower....dont you think its so pathetic...by coming out in the open demanding for quota the gurjars have shown that they need support and are dependent on this evil called reservation which has divided our country since independence.....

[dsk]

Dear Bhati,

Definitely we need to comeout and move with a inner fire burning to succeed. But as always, any motivational idea takes time to sit in the hearts of the people and enlighten. If you wanna do something towards what direction, most welcome.

And OBC quota, its not in the IIT's or IIM's. But because of this ST quota, as already said, there are approximately 50 meenas in every IIT.

Also, the question is not only of reservation but of the exploitation of minorities by the politicians. See the recent news of only last 15 days and you will find many instances of police firing on unarmed people, MLA's doing dadagiri on normal people, Filmstars purchasing the agricultaral lands??? what is all this??? Situation like this call for revolution and nothing less than that.

one more example, Two gurjar MLS's removed from their seat because there were spreading the castism and only letters to 5 MLS's of MEENA's in Rajsthan. Why?? only because they are large in no. Note that all 31 MLA's were threatning to resign when this movement was on. Why only Gurjars MLA's were removed??

So dear, its much more problem as on date, than only a reservation issue.

No Govt is trying to open good school in remote areas and free of cost. No motivational compaigings. They want people to remain in this situation so that they can use them for votes. This is what burns fire and call for a mass movement to kill these people who are using this illiterate people of the country.

[ankurbhati]

dear dsk,

you have made some good points but i will answer your questions 1 by 1....you are complaining about iit's and iim's....first of all obc quota is their in the iim's now but for the supreme court's stay order which will be resolved....then concerning iit's....you should read my very first statement at the top of this page carefully...it talks about bihari's who live in much worse conditions than gurjars and fall into the general category, but they are finding success in iit's and everywhere else my dear dsk....and the issue of filmstars purchasing farmlands doesnt have to do anything with reservation...for that you only have to be a farmer, it doesnt matter whether you are an sc or a bhramin....as long as you are a farmer you can own lands....and yes there should be a revolution but not based on the evil of reservation....and the two bjp mla's have been fired because they were protesting against thier own party while the meena's were not doing anything violent or out of the ordinary...if you are the president of a party and one of the party's members rallies against the party won't you throw him out?...yes you would....and there are no schools for the bihari's either but they walk far away from home to study and they live in 10 times worse conditions than us dear dsk.... and i am an indian before being a gurjar....i say that there should not be any reservation at all just for some communities which are in very very bad conditions.....with this statement i rest my case

[AP Singh]

Sometimes Supreme Court has to act to issue some statements ignoring the ground realities. These are made in overall interest of the Nation.

This statement is made in haste since not even a lowest court, leave aside Supreme Court in India are supposed to issue orders before listening the verdict of both sides of the people. Because of this staement the police is targetting the innocent Gujjars all over the places where they protested for the killing of innocent people.

Here in Rajasthan the Police killed innocent people who protesting peacefully and it is a shame for the entire nation that even after 60 years of independence only Gujjars, the community to which the innocent people belonged came to roads to protests and others just ignored. These voilent protest in some of other states was more against the killing of innocent people by the police.

In 1857 Hundred of the Gujjars were targeted and hanged and stories were written in similar fashion and the "First war of Independence" of India was given the name of "1857 Gadar" in similar fashion by the Britishers and the some Lalas of Chandni Chowk who were serving them. Now in independent India these are really serious issues.

But the History can not be suppressed. Even today you can find "Namak Haram ki Haveli" in Chandni Chowk which is rarely mentioned in history to hide the facts. In a a similar fashion, the real fighters of Independence , the Gujjars who had destroyed even the "Metcalfe House" the centre of British Power and captured Delhi , are rarely mentioned in the history of the "First War of Independence".

Regards.

[ankurbhati]

nice little essay of facts mr. AP....but just one clarification....it's not that only the gurjars are being targeted....had the jats also behaved in the same manner, they also would have faced similar consequences or any other community for that matter.....and mr. Ap one more thing with due respect....the gurjars in rajasthan were not protesting peacefully except in very few places....and no one was hurt in those places.....the police became violent only after the gurjars started throwing stones at them.....and some of them were also carrying some "desi tamanchas" with them.....and they were also blocking a national highway which was affecting the country economically and socially....i myself am a gurjar, but disapprove of the actions they've taken in the past few days.....incidents such as these bring shame to india of the 21st century which is trying on becoming a world power and securing a seat in the un security council....how can a country so divided even think of presenting a case for inclusion into the security council....and it's not the gurjars fault...it's the fault of our politicians and our forefathers who have planted the seeds of reservation(curse it!) deep into our society.....

[mazhar gujjar]

DEAR ANKUR ,

please tell me something,

1 . were you there at the spot where police killed the gujjars.bcoz ur statements against gujjars and in the favour of killer policemen showes that u were at the spot.

2 . were the gujjars mad ,they were throwing the stones on innocent police.evry one knows the behaviour of policemen in india.
3 . in the whole world its law policemen dont have wepon against the people protest.why the policemen armed. you can ask from a lawyer about it.

4 .you say gujjars had desi tamanchas but everyone looked the pictures of gujjar protestors on international media ,they were armed only with lathis only.
5 . if they had tamanchas why the only one policeman killed by the 30000 thousand gujjars.if gujjars were aggressive and armed they can kill many policemen.

6 . i m watching the media reports from the day of incident they r in the favour of gujjars. only meenas ,rajasthan gov and you r blaming the gujjars.

7 . you r saying about the jaats. why jaats announced the favour of gujjars in rajisthan and delhi. did u not read the announcement of jaat organizations in which they alrarmed the gov they will also be on roads in the favour of gujjars.

8 . you will be a rich person you cannot feel the pain of a poor person.

9 .did you not read the statements of gurjar widows who,s men killed in the incident.they said they r sad but proudfull that their husbands gave their life for a noble cause. yey passion sirf sachai key leay hotta hai aur uswaqt hotta hai jub aadmee bilkul tung hoo jaata hai.

10 . agar gujjar sachai pur nahin thee tu woo kyun apnee jaanein detey rahey magar wahaan sey bhagey nahin.

11 . woo uss cheez kee demand kur rahey thee joo key uss province mein aik dosree community koo hasil hai.agar yey demand ghalt hai tu phir dosree community koo kyun hasil hai.
12 . kia st status indian law mein nahin.

13 . kia sirf meena tribe indian hai kia gujjar indian nahin?

14 . saree world ney dekha key woo community joo khud st kaa benefit ley rahee hai woo 50000 ghundoon key saath armed hoo kur gujjaroon pur raid kur rahey thee.kia aapney media kee koi reports nahin padee.

15 .gujjar yey demand gov sey kur rahey thee meena community koo iss sey kia takleef thee .

16 .you r blaming the gujjars which were demanding a lawful thing from gov and its a constitutional right of every indian.

17. you and ur gov did not say a word against the meena tribe why they were raiding on indian(gujjars) who were demanding from gov.were those armed meena people have right to take law in their hand.

18 . ho sakta hai gujjaroon ney protest key beech law break kia hoo. lekin yey batao jahan koi aapkee voice naa suney wahaan phir marta hoa aadmee kia karey.

19 .st hona chaheay yaa nahin yey aik alag chapter hai .kia 25 logoon kee jaan chalee jaey yey dukh bharee baat nahin.

20 .main tu aik baat samajh saka hoon key hamarey yehan koi law nahin,

law hai tu sirf ,, MIGHT IS RIGHT,,,

AGAR AISA NAA HOOTA TU AAP MARNEY WALOON KOO BLAME NAA DETEY.

AIK SAMNEY NAJAR AANEY WALEY SACH KOO AISEY WORDS MEIN GHALT MALT NAA KARTEY.

AIK AUR BAAT AAP GUJJAR HOO YAA KOI AUR AAP APNEY COUNTRY KEY SAATH SINCERE NAHIN. GUJJAR INDIA MEIN 10 CRORE SEY JIADA HAIN UNKEE VOICE NAA SUNNA DESH SEY GHADAREE HAI.

AIK BAAT YAAD RAKHNAA JISKAA KOI MURDER HOO JAEY USS KEY GHAR AGAR JAANA TU YEY NAA KEHNAA KEY MURDER SAHEE THAA.

AISA KAROO GEY TU WOO LOG AAPKO BOHAT MAREIN GEY.

AUR ISS INCIDENT KOO MAJAQ NAA BANAO AGAR AAP APNEY DESH SEY SINCERE HOO.

AISEY HEE AATUNK WAAD KOO BARAWA MILTA HAI

[Rajnish Doi]

Dear Mr. Ankur Bhati,

First question ARE you GURJAR?

If yes! then it does not look good to write such loose statements.

If you can not think of Community then you can not think of Country.
Do you know from past 15 years, GURJARS had came on road on demand of ST? It is almost in every 6 months we GURJARS demonstrated our wills and appealed govt to consider our case.
But why no one listened? I am sure you might not know about it.

Do you know this was the most intensed agitation considering reservations why bcoz it was done by GURJARS and I am proud to be one.

Gurjars came up and asked GOVT. to reconsider this ST Quota for MEENAS. If you are not from Rajasthan then you may not understand how MEENAS have taken advantage of it. MEENA students with -ve marks has got IAS, DOCTORS and other higher posts govt. jobs. An IAS MEENA kid (who is below average) will get IAS seat easily because of ST status. Now you will think why only MEENA is taking advantage what about others, there is only one other major cast who is BHEEL (Very less populated and real deserver of ST) are not having any land and no money to study.
MEENAs were just like GURJARS they got ST status now they are strong.
Do not include JATs in every talk they are inteligent people and they do not talk like Ankur bhai.
Its good if every one starts fighting for ST or SC then this QUOTA policies will have to be reviewed freshly. GURJARS have given good start let other community also come forward.

Regarding politics Col. Bhainsla he is next to our god Dev Narayan ji, if some one talk anything about him without good knowledge of him, it is highly unaccepted. Col. Bhainsla has taken this issue to international community with good strategies in place. Apart from him all other leaders (whom I can say politicians) were not considering this as generic issue rather they considered as political issue. It was under BJP govt. who killed our innocent brothers, then why 5 BJP MLAs have not resigned from party and why not any other MLA of india from BJP has resigned because they take it politically.
Now GURJAR bhai this is the time to support this agitation to get our community right, to make general public aware and for revolution in INDIA against QUOTA.
If you keep listining to Media, politicians and biased communists we will be at same status not only GURJARS but also whole INDIA will never be able to become a developed country.
Regards,
Rajnish Doi.

[mazhar gujjar]

DEAR ANKUR,
yaar aap tu ghussa kur gaey,
mujhey nahin patta thaa key aap yehaan rajasthan issue pur baat karney nahin English kaa test leney aaey hoey thee.
tu bhai english language mujhey nahin aatee.yey tu aap jaisey educated bhaion kee copy karney kee koshish karta hoon.

1 . bhai sb aapney jiada joor sirf iss bat pur dia key tv mut dekha karoo ,english mut bola karoo, ghussa mein aap yey bhee bhool gaey key hamara topic kia thaa. a
aapney merey kissee bhee sawal kaa jawab nahin dia.mera khayal hai key aapney meree post read hee nahin kee sirf meree english kee ghaltian check kartey rahey.
2 . bhai sb main ney kahin bhee st status kee favour nahin kee
kyunkey yey meree demand nahin nahin.yey rajisthani gujjars kee demand hai aur woo apney halat mujhsey aur aapsey jiada jantey hain.main tu itnaa janta hoon key 50000 gujjaroon kee panchayat joo decide kur ley woo sahee hoo yaa ghalat main uskoo sahee hee maanoon gaa.aap jaisey log bhookey koo chapatee tu nahin dey saktey magar uskoo kake khaney kee advice jaroor detey hoo.
3 .. rajisthan key ilawa kahin bhee gujjaroon ney st status key leay nahin sirf innocent gujjars kee murder pur protest kur rahey thee.aur jiskaa blood pure hai uska apney bhai key murder pur khoon jaroor khoolta hai.

4 .. gov aur public kaa relation parent aur children key jaisa hoota hai.bachey ghalt maang bhee karein tu parents jiada pyar sey aur thodee maar sey samjhatey hain.magar jaan sey nahin martey.

5 . agar roads bandh pur gujjars killing kee gaein tu phir yey bandh tu poorey northern india mein hoa aur rajisthaan sey jiada hoa. rajisthaan mein planning key saath gujjars koo murder kia gaya.

6 ..aap kee sooch ghalat aur ulat hai.poorey desh kaaa sochna prime minister aur president kee duty hai.agar aap yey samajhtey hoo key aap pm ya president hoo tu phir aap kisee mental hospital sey apna treatment karwao.
normal insaan apni limits mein reh kur soochta hai.
hum agar apney ghar aur family aur community kaa sochtey hain tu kia yey desh kee bhalai nahin.
desh banta kiss sey hai .different tribe ,communities sey.
7 . aap jaisey log khud tu kuch kartey nahin agar koi karta hai tu usko criticize karna shuroo kur detey hain.agar koi gali mohaley ka bhee kam hoo tu aap jaisey log kehtey hoo main tu desh kee sooch rahaan hoon yey choota sa kaam mera nahin.kaam sey jaan chudaney kaa badia tareeqa. waah merey hardworking desh bhagtoo.

8 .aapney yey dunia kaa subsey bada jhot boola key gujjar laziness kee waja sey backward hain.gujjars kaa dushman bhee yey baat manta hai gujjar subsey jiada bardasht kaa malik aur hardworker hai.grazing aur farming dunia key sub sey hard kaam hain aur gujjar inhe sey related hain.

9 . yey baat bilkul ghalat hai key gujar laziness kee waja sey backward reh gaey;
yey words padoo.yey words kisee gujjar writter key nahin .writter aik muslim scholar hai aur partitiobn sey pehley muslim scholars ke subsey badee organization ,,all india jamiat ulamai hind ,, kaa president thaa.he got respect also from gandhi and nehru.
read the paragraph.aapko patta chaley key gujjar laziness kee waja sey nahin desh bagtee kee waja sey backward hain.

,,,, 1857 kee janage azadee key baad gujjaroon pur angrejoon kaa attab(ghussa) nazil hoa.gujjar qaum key gaon key gaon jala deay gaey.jaedadein(properties neelam(auction)
kur dee gaein. aur koshish kee gaey key minhaisul qaum(both hindu muslim) iss qaum koo neesto nabood(totaly finish)kur dia jaey. baqi(alive) rahey nam Allah ka.angrej hindustaan sey nikal gaya. yey qaum ab bhee baqi hai magar halat aaj tuk behtar(achhee) nahin hoo sakee.

name of book ,, ulamai hind kaa shandar mazee,,,
from page 319 to 325,, vol ,,4. book can be purchased near jamia masjid book stalls delhi.

10 . merey desh bhagat bhai in lazy gujjaroon ney tu sub kuch lutta dia desh kee khatir tu kia inkoo iskaa reward nahin milna chaheay thaa. lekin kia mila golian aur lashein aur yey key yey laziness kee waja sey peechey reh gaey.kia wattan key wafadaroon sey yey behaviour bharat key saath ghadaree nahin.
doob marna chaheay aisey desh bhagtoon koo.
11 . merey bhai agar tum gujjar hoo tu apney mind sey yey complex nikal doo key gujjar koi ghattia qaum hai. desh key dushmanoon kee laakh koshish key bawajood yey qaum aaj bhee mehnat sey kama kur khattee hai aur kahin bhee bheek nahin mangtee aur backward honey key bawajood ijjat sey reh rahee hai.

12 . gujjaroon ney sub sey jiada desh key barey soocha magar bardasht kaa end point bhee hoota hai.

13 . aapney baat kee desh key croron key loss kee . apney logoon kee jindagian thum janey kee baat kee.aik baar bhee marney walwey gujjaroon kaa jikar nahin kia. mujhey btao kia woo marney waley gujjar indian nahin thee. tum croronn kee baat kur rahey hoo aik jindagee kee qeemat kharboon sey bhee jiada hai.

14 . kia unn indian gujjaroon kee murder pur baqee indians koo saug nahin manana chaheay thaa.

15 . tum yey chahtey thee key jin key mur gaey woo lashein uthatey aur jaa kur unki raakh ganga mein baha detey.
aur tum log karoobaar kartey aur hanstey kheltey rehtey. aisa kur key logoon ney khud yey country kaa nahin gujjaroon kaa problem bana dea.
yaad rakhoo kisee koo maar kur shantee kahin bhee nahin
rahwey gee.

kisse kaa koi marey gaa tu sadkein bhee bandh hoon gee.
aag lagey gee tu hawa kaa rukh jis taraf hoo gaa sub ghar jalein gey.

jub tum jaisey log lashein uthaney waloon hee koo doshee thehrao gey tu desh bhagtee kaa bhashan kaun suney gaa.

apney rights key leay awaj uthana ghadaree nahin .yey desh subkaa hai. gujjaroon ney subsey jiada qurbanee dee isleay gujjaron kaa subsey jiada.

gujjaroon koo pareshan kur key iss desh kaa koi bhee jalim sukhee nahin rahey gaa. gujjaroon ney desh banaya thaa,
gujjar hee issey bachaein gey

[Manvinder Adhana]

Hello Ankur,

Brother this site a platform to expressing your views about community.But you should also mind your language brother.You have no right to offend other gurjar members.

I am really sorry mazhar bhai for ankur behaviour.I apologise for that.

regards
manvinder adhana

[Ankur Bhati]

Hey manvindar...

bro i didnt want to offend anyone...but if you take a good look at the statement made by mazhar in his 1st statement...he called me a terrorist which showed the narrowmindedness and a lack of education in mazhar....and i only politely told him to express his views in hindi as he'll be more comfortable doing that....and we would also understand him better...some of his views dont make much sense if you read his first statement....but if you still think i have offended anyone than sorry to say that I AM NOT AT ALL SORRY...because i only replied to a statement made against me....but i wasnt offended when he called me an ATANKWADI...i replied to him my views....

[Ankur Bhati]

Mazhar bhai,
gussa main nahin, aap ho gaye hai

zara thande hokar apna dimag(agar aap ke paas dimag hai to) ka istamal kijiye....aapne mere ko aatankwadiyo se compare kiya tha...usi ka jawaab tha...aur main aapki english mein galtiya nahi dhoond raha. sirf aapko bata raha hu ki aap vo hi bhasha ka istamal kijiye jo aapko comfortable lage....aur rahi hamare opinions ki baat....to hum dono kabhi bhi is baat par sehmat nahi ho sakte....manvindar adhana ne mujhe message diya hai ki aap meri baato se offend ho gaye isliye behtar yahi hoga ki main aapki daleelo ka jawaab na du kyunki aap mein sach sunne ki himmat nahi hai....agar meri koi bhi baat aapko buri lagi ho to koi baat nahi...aap apne raastey main apney raastey....u r a person from the gurjar community and hence are like my brother so i wouldnt want to continue this fight....hum kisi aur topic par discussion kar sakte hai...kyunki main apni position se nahi hatunga aur aap apni position se nahi hatenge....

[Ankur Bhati]

THIS IS A REPLY TO MR.RAJNISH DOI

YES I AM A GURJAR

Yes i did Know that gurjars of rajasthan have been demanding st status for a long time now....even last september there was a protest rally....and as far as Col. Baisla is concerned....he's my relative for your kind information....his daughter has been wedded in a family related to me in ghaziabad.....yes he's a deep thinker and great gurjar leader....AND NO, communities dont make a nation....UNITY does....I have lived 4 years in America which is the most prosperous nation in this world....there's no such thing as community or anything there....even a sweeper hugs his boss without any intimidation....racism is a thing of the past there....there are some americans who are still racists but they are too old to know better.....coming back to the gurjar topic...one of my good friend is a meena and yes i am well aware of their progress....And Mr. Doi i think you should get glasses made for your eyesight if you dont have them already....i think you are a little blind...if you read my statement clearly i did say that reservation should be given to any person with a very poor and weak background, whether its a gurjar or a jat or a pundit....it shouldnt be there for the masses....it should be there only for a particular financially weak section of the society and not on terms of caste...and yes i will always bring jats in between...jats are just like gurjarts in many ways...they are from a farmer background....and why is it that no one replies to my bihari statement....ANSWER THIS QUESTION MR. RAJNISH DOI.... Why are the biharis finding so much success in IAS, IIT, IIM's etc...? They are much poorer than gurjars and mostly they are in the general category...they come to delhi and other big cities after selling whatever little land they have to pursue their dreams....GURJARS are a very SUPERIOR community and history is evident of that...i firmly believe that MOST gurjars dont need the ST quota....it should be given to any needy person.....it can be a gurjar or a yadav....

[Rajnish Doi]

Hello Mr. Bhati,


This message is more clear and refined, shows some respect to GURJARS but I still think you need to be improved on bhiradri love.
It is not America and never will be.
America is not social country it is more of cosmopolitan and democratic, population is from various part of the world. So you can not expect this castism in USA.
To have ST status reviewed some one has to come forward and I am proud that GURJARS have come.
Brother I am agreed upon your raised point on ST status given on proverty basis but it will never be possible in INDIA.

JATs have got OBC and MEENAS are not ready to share their ST seats with anyone and they will not because this country runs with power. So to achieve your dream GURJARS have come forward against these policies.
I dont want to go personal with you. But now I cant stop myself. You seems to be show off person with less morality and no respect for others not even for your own community brothers.
GURJARS are LAZY what do you mean?
Are you LAZY. So sad to know that you are GURJAR.


Try to understand GURJAR demand is not to feel downgraded or backward but to get advantage for our poor families in community which we feel are more than MEENAs and JATs. I cant explain you how many gurjar families are poor and you might have not seen because you were in USA for 5 years!
regards,
Rajnish Doi.