Rajasthan Issue

[Manvinder Adhana]

Hi guys

This is a serious issue.Please post your vote and views.


thanks and regards

[Manvinder Adhana]

Hi guys,

I just came to know about rajasthan issue yesterday.I was shocked to read what's going on Rajasthan and other parts of India.20 people have killed.I don't understand it why?
Politics is really a bad thing.Politicians are playing with our emotions.They are using us for their political benefits.

But I personally feel this is a very complex issue.If anyhow we come in the ST category then Jat might demand for the same.Some other caste may do the same thing.

Progress in a society depends on many factors like your family background,financial status,infrastructure and opportunities etc.We can see this thing around us.See when punjabi's were migrated from pakistan they had nothing in their hand.Now you can see punjabi's they are doing very well everywhere.

See yadav's.these guys came in OBC quota with us and who is taking actual benefit of OBC quota.these guys only,why? So it depends on personal attributes also.

So there are so many factors.If anyhow we will achieve the ST status,it will degarde our situation in mainstream Indian society.


regards
manvinder adhana

[G S AWANA]

Dear Gurjars,

Gurjars were deprived of thier right to be included in ST. I like to discuss this issue point wise:-

Why ST status to gurjars ?

After India got independence the socially and economically deprived casts were identified by a Committee called Kaka Kalekar Committee in the year 1951. Gurjars and Meenas both were recommended by the committee. Meenas were included but Gurjars were not. Despite the fact both the casts were having same social and economic standard. Britishers put Gurjarsand Meenas both in Criminal tribe categeroy. Gurjars were the one who kept fighting the Britishers and they were not happy with them.

Don't fight with Meenas!

It is a politically motivated conflict please donot allow them to succeed. First 4 days of the Rajasthan disturbances were not having problem from the Meenas. Both the communities having no problem but all of sudden the Sindhia government instigated them to fight with Gurjar. Sindhia Government is the biggest failure. Sachin pilot also kept mum just to save his Lok Sabha seat. Very bad to him. Meenas and Gurjar were living in harmony as brothers , restore it back donot drift away from the main issue.

Solution!


Deduct 5% of OBC quota and add it to ST and then include Gurjar in ST.


ALL GURJAR LEADERS SHOULD CAME FORWARD TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE SO MANY HAVE DIED AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NO END TO IT. Request to all Gurjar politicians especially Sachin Pilot, Avtar Bhadana, Kalu Ram Gurjar, Gurjar MLAs of all the states --Please set intrests aside and work for the community honestly.

Thanx

G S Awana


This is a serious issue.Please post your vote and views.


thanks and regards
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[G S AWANA]

Dear Gurjars,

Gurjars were deprived of thier right to be included in ST. I like to discuss this issue point wise:-

Why ST status to gurjars ?

After India got independence the socially and economically deprived casts were identified by a Committee called Kaka Kalekar Committee in the year 1951. Gurjars and Meenas both were recommended by the committee. Meenas were included but Gurjars were not. Despite the fact both the casts were having same social and economic standard. Britishers put Gurjarsand Meenas both in Criminal tribe categeroy. Gurjars were the one who kept fighting the Britishers and they were not happy with them.

Don't fight with Meenas!

It is a politically motivated conflict please donot allow them to succeed. First 4 days of the Rajasthan disturbances were not having problem from the Meenas. Both the communities having no problem but all of sudden the Sindhia government instigated them to fight with Gurjar. Sindhia Government is the biggest failure. Sachin pilot also kept mum just to save his Lok Sabha seat. Very bad to him. Meenas and Gurjar were living in harmony as brothers , restore it back donot drift away from the main issue.

Solution!


Deduct 5% of OBC quota and add it to ST and then include Gurjar in ST.


ALL GURJAR LEADERS SHOULD CAME FORWARD TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE SO MANY HAVE DIED AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NO END TO IT. Request to all Gurjar politicians especially Sachin Pilot, Avtar Bhadana, Kalu Ram Gurjar, Gurjar MLAs of all the states --Please set intrests aside and work for the community honestly.

Thanx

G S Awana
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This is a serious issue.Please post your vote and views.


thanks and regards
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[gsawana]

ALL GURJAR LEADERS SHOULD CAME FORWARD TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE SO MANY HAVE DIED AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NO END TO IT. Request to all Gurjar politicians especially Sachin Pilot, Avtar Bhadana, Kalu Ram Gurjar, Gurjar MLAs of all the states --Please set intrests aside and work for the community honestly.

[vishaltonger]

Hi
Not offending any one the one who are opposing should talk reality what ST means they don't know, secondly YaDAVS have got maximum benefit under OBC infact jats got OBC status in UP and in RAJ and trying to get in DElHI too.
Do you know how many IAS we have just 2.
We are hard working its no doubt but lacks proper guidance.
This site can be very helpful to such of our brothers and sisters.

The main aim of reservation was to provide equality to those castes and communities who lack representation. But its fault of our politician that we still required reservation instead of restricting its impact they are spreading it. let me give you example of women reservation in parliament it does not mean they are back ward bcs of this we are providing them reservation but that are just 20 or 30 in number out of 545. hence to increase there number so that they can be part of decision making .Regarding HP providing reservation has not helped us this clearly shows that we need to be properly guided bcs we even don't know how to gain from reservation still in villages you can find people taking OBC certificates to get scholarship or other benefits except job this is my todays experience which i saw in collectorate.
I n last i will say that reservation will surely accelerate the growth and development of our community. Importantly as pointed by Mr Awana our so called leaders are really not coming forward on the issue all of them are more worried about their seats. We are so powerful in NCR region and Meenas r just in rajasthan we shoould make the Govt understand that if they listen to meena then they r going to loose more as gurjars are dominant not only in rajstahan but in many of the north indian states. Hope this issue is positively resolved by mr Bainsla the real hero of this agitation

[RB SINGH GURJAR]

ST RESARVATION CAN CHANGE THE STATUS OF OUR COMMUNITY DEFINATILY IT CAN CHANGE OUR SOCIAL AS WELL AS ECONOMIC STAUS IT IS VERY NESSE SORY FOR OUR COMMUNITY

[Pankaj Kohli]

hi friends

reservation is useles unless our people are educated enough to take benefits.
But most unfortunate aspect of agitation is that about 30 people lost their lives. Ignorance and forceful suppresion of gurjars by rajasthan government caused this to happen.
Whatever may be the end result, but sacrifice of so many people has given a new dimension and recognition to Gurjar unity. Let us pray God that their soul may rest in peace.

Regards

[satbirsingh]

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pankajkoli said:

hi friends

reservation is useles unless our people are educated enough to take benefits.
But most unfortunate aspect of agitation is that about 30 people lost their lives. Ignorance and forceful suppresion of gurjars by rajasthan government caused this to happen.
Whatever may be the end result, but sacrifice of so many people has given a new dimension and recognition to Gurjar unity. Let us pray God that their soul may rest in peace.

Regards
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[glow=red,2,300]ur comment that reservation is useless does not reflect ground level reality.

Same MEENA WHO WERE MUCH BEHIND US TODAY ARE GIVING US A RUN WHY? BCOSE THEY HAVE BEN LIFTED UP BY RESERVATION.

HOW MANY GURJARS JOIN FORCES AS SOLDIERS BUT HOW MANYOF THEM AS OFFICERSIB FARCES?? WHY SO FEW ITS SOCIAL, EDUCATIONAL BACKWARDNESS ONLY. RESERVATION CAN REMOVE IT.



OUR LEADERS HOW MANY HAVE STARTED COACHING FOR NDA, CDS, IAS , IIT ENTRANCES NONE? HOW CAN THE FEW WHO HAVE SOME HOW GET EDUCATION GET THEIR SHARE JUST BY LUCK OR CHANCE?[/glow]

[Damodar Singh]

Dear All,

I also agree on some points with Satbeer.

The reservation is the need of time for gurjars especially in rajasthan. See the point is this that our Meena brothers, residing next house, having the same socio economic background is making it happen not because he/she is having much knowledge or intelligence but because of reservation only. The bad part of this story, that they are misusing this power to socially show the gurjars down at the very crucial moments. For example, on the very first day of this agitation, the firing took place and it was by orders of a "meena" Police Officer. Definately, it could not have been the case, if a "meena" would not have been a police officer.

Furhter note that, These today's meena brothers, who have put the 5 Gurjar people on fire, who have fired the trucks who was carrying the food to the people at movement, were the same people who used to run away only by the name of gurjars. Who gave them all the courage?? because they know that everywhere in power are the meena officers or MLA's and again remember that they are all there because of Reservaton.
Also, when Vasundhara Raje is saying that gurjars do not qualify for any of the criterions led in constitution to be included in ST ( Like the people must live in remote areas or jungles or must be dependent on forest products for livelyhood etc..as she said).

But can the same survey be done on Meenas as on date and can they qualify any of those led criteria? Definitely No. So all I want to say, that its the inequality which is forcing all this agitation to happen.

And above all of this, why the meenas are protesting and their MLA's are threatening to resign. If at all, there is agitation, Govt is there to handle it. Who are they to take the law in hand? Can there be any worst case of castism than this???

Also when all the intellectuals of country are saying that this is spreading the fire of castims all around. They say that tommorow some other caste will repeat the story and demand for resevation. Definetely the people will demand in the situtaion which is prevailing in the country. But why dont they take the first move to demolish it?? why not they remove all the quotas which are caste based??? Its nothing more that use of simple and innocent people by more intelligent people of the country. and all of you know it very well.


Agreed, that a seat/status gained because of reservation may not bring that self satisfaction but it can definitely bring satisfaction to the person who have first time got a job in his family or even from a village.

Also, it is well known that Most of the benefit, if reservation is given, will be taken by prosperous gurjars and not by them who are putting their life on stake in the battlefield at Rajasthan. But its the law of nature that only top people get the most of the benefit. Only thing govt can do is to enforce creamy layer rule.

As pointed out by Mr. Vishal Tonger that it will increse the representation of the community on the main fronts of country, whoever may get the benfit, and that may be useful.


With love,

DSK
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[Pankaj Kohli]

hi friends

gurjars have ST category reservation in Himachal and J&K, but have you ever heard of our people availing benefits there. Then how its going to help us in Rajasthan.

regards

[Rakesh Bainsla]

My Gurjar Brothers,

I do completely agree with comments made by Damodar Singh (DSK). Definately having quota helps in getting admission / jobs. Which will ultimately improve the status & representation of us in the mainstream.

I have seen real examples in Railways, Civil Services & other goverment jobs where other caste (like meenas) are there in good numbers & this is all because of their ST status.

I just read a article which suggested that because of the "Print" problem meena's got this status. Actually ST status was given to BheelMeena caste (which is a single caste) while when the actual print came it was printed as "Bheel, Meena" here is the link:

navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2089230.cms

I read another editorial in Rashtriya Sahara dated June 5th.. which will tell you why do we need reservation..

www.rashtriyasahara.com/NewsDetailFrame.aspx?newsid=33156&catid=5&vcatname=संपादकीय



I do agree that Gurjars are well off in some areas like Delhi, Noida / Faridabad BUT what you see here is not the case in Rajasthaan. I have seen in person that people really need to be uplifted there to bring them up.

Dont compare ourself to punjabi's. Thats a different story all together and I can bet could we have had St status (50 year back) like meena's then the counting for Gurjars IAS would have been 10 times more. in J & K & HP we are very few in nos..

In todays scenario OUR brothers need our help & I DO COMPLETELY SUPPORT my brothers in this demand !!!


Rakesh Bainsla
001-919-794-3641

[AP Singh]

Whether reservation is good or bad till reservation policy of Goverment of India exists it should be given to all the people who qualify for it. If the Gujjars of rajasthan qualify for it why it should not be given to them.

Meenas are also a valiant tribe and historically are closely associated with Gujjars and when they can be given reservation why not Gujjars. Like many other valiant tribes Meenas also share some gotras with Imperial Gujjars like Parihars Meenas. During the Gujjar Empire of kannauj, whose boundries on one side was Kabul, the other was Karnataka, and to the east side was Dhaka, the Meenas of rajasthan were very important part of Gujjar army in rajasthan and they were ruling Present day JaiPur. The jaipur was later taken by Kushwahas from them but Kushwahas could control the valiant Meenas without the help of Akbar, their relative by marriage. That was the bad time for both Gujjars and Meenas. This was also the time when Gujjars rulers from Alwar were driven out with the help of Mughals and Kushwaha combine.
When personal Body Gaurds of Gujjar Tanwar king Anangpal of Delhi was not allowed to enter Delhi after his pilgimage to Haridwar by his own grandson (His duaghter's son
) he settled in Chambal valley near Gwalior alonwith 400 of personal body guards, later reffered as rajputs in History. The Gujjars Chauhans had already asserted independence by that time from Gujjar Pratihar overlords of kannauj. These 400 Bodyguards of Gujjar Tanwar king Anang pal, later referred as Tanwar Rajputs in History driven out Kushwaha from Gwalior which also asserted independence from Gujjar overlords and captured Gwalior from their original abode of Narwar garh ( also called Nisiddha, since Kushwaha claim that they are decendent of raja Nal, the famous king of Nishads) in MP.

[Damodar Singh Khatana]

Dear Friends,

I agree with you Pankaj Kohli upto the point that reservation is useless until people are educated enough to take the advantage, but it can definitely accelerate the growth.

Look even if one person get settled from the family, rest he can do good himself for his coming generations. But at least that first person has to come out, somehow. n thats possible only by a blend of reservation and hard effort.

I am sure that its extremly difficult for a normal student( not those few extraordinary), studied from a village in Hindi Medium, to compete with the person who has studied in KB's or other good schools, who is getting the guidence as well as a nice surrounding to get a comptetive exam cleared after 12th, even when he/she is in 9th standard.

Would not you accept that 85% of the people on this earth have nearly same level of intelligence leaving those few who are extremly good or bad. But c the previlaged child born in a properous family as well as good sorroundings nearby to get good education, is successful in life. While his conterpart with same level of intelligence, born in a remote area and in a poor family is not doing good. Why so? because its the external condition that made the difference. Now whats the fault of those who born in such unprivilaged areas. So the phillsophy of the reservation is this. It's altogether a different story that its being misused by politicians.

You have to furhter agree with me that much of the jobs today do not need a very high level of intelligence, But only good communication skills (much of which is speaking english only) and good exposure to computers. Now all this is simply not possible for a person born in a remote area. So for first generation to reach upto a level that they can give their childs a privilaged atmosphere, reservation is neccessary. After one generation, reservattion is not needed at all.


Definitely one can always make his way against all odds if a inner fire is burning to succeed, but those are rare cases n everyone cannot be that motivated.

Coming back to your point, the reservation in Himachal may not have helped because they are still living on hilly reasons, may not have good schools even to provide the bare minimum educaation. Although I dont have authentic data to comment on this. So I fully agree with you that good education is still needed. Reservation alone cannt solve the problem.

Look, much of my meena brothers, approximately 50 in no in each of the IIT's are there because of this reservation only. Now they may not deserve to be there, but they are inspiring their brothers back in village that yes, its possible to be there. They are the hardcore examples. and because of this the count is increasing every year. This is not the case with gurjars. and by simple law of Randomness of nature, Gurjars have equa born intellignece, if not more than Meena's.

So even if by reservation or by any efforts, one generation gets in, good hope is there for development of that caste.


And please do nt compare the other gurjars in Punjab, Noida, Gurgaon and other prosperous areas to those in Rajasthan. The Situation in Rajasthan is much bad.

With love,

DSK

[ankurbhati]

ok guys first of all let me make myself very clear: "THE ST QUOTA WILL NOT BE OF ANY BENEFIT TO THE GURJARS AND WILL ONLY WORSEN THE SITUATION FOR THE NATION AS A WHOLE".....the gurjars are already in the obc category which entitles them to 27% of the total seats! that's more than 1/4th!! and please guys dont give me any arguments that the obc population is much greater than the st population.....lets accept it, MOST of the gurjars are not hard working people.....they want everything easily in front of them served in a plate....well life is not so easy!! the yadavs, the jats, they are also human beings with 2 eyes, 2 ears, 1 nose, and 1 brain.....y r they progressing faster than the gurjars....because they are working harder... WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY!!! Think about those people who come from the poorest of conditions from places like bihar and fall into the general category! there are so many biharis in govt services....its not due to quotas, its due to hard work and determination and im sorry to say gurjars will still lag behind even if you create a seperate quota just for them....thats how lazy MOST of them are....on the other hand there are many gurjars in govt services today....its not only due to the obc quota but also due to hard work!!!!....and even if we do get the st quota....what do you think will happen....the meenas will protest from one side and the jats from the other...the entire nation will be in a state of riots....so until and unless gurjars give importance to hard work and approach things in an organized manner they wont be able to climb the social ladder..... ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT!!!